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October 15, 2024

Phillies stay or go: Manager Rob Thomson

Rob Thomson has built a track record of mismanaging key situations in the postseason.

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Can the Atlanta Braves finally make serious inroads on the Phillies' lead in the National League East after a series victory this week?

It came too soon — a pivotal offseason for the Phillies as they scratch their heads after an embarrassing loss to the Mets in the NLDS.

We'll look at all of the potential roster changes the team could make ahead of 2025, but for a moment, let's think about manager Rob Thomson, who is becoming a bit like the Joel Embiid of MLB managers. He's really good in the regular season — to the turn of a 250-185 record. His .575 winning percentage is the best for any Phillies manager since 1890. He's made three straight playoff appearances and has improved the team's record in each season.

But in the playoffs, it's been out of gas and then choke job and then collapse. He is 20-14 in October, and has lost every elimination game Philadelphia has played under his tenure.


Phillies stay or go

The stars | The bullpen | The bench | Alec Bohm | Taijuan Walker 
Bryson Stott | Brandon Marsh | Johan Rojas | Nick Castellanos | Rob Thomson


Why he should stay?

Thomson is a players' manager and that's been clear for the three years he's been in the city. The team plays for him, rallies around him, and respects him. 

He has the nickname "Philly Rob" for a reason. He embodies the blue-collar ethic of Philadelphia and it shows during the regular season.

The front office extended him after the team's 2022 World Series run and he'll be under contract until the end of 2025. But will the team let him call the shots as a lame-duck manager?

There aren't exactly alternatives screaming to take his job. Skip Schumaker recently became available, but there aren't a ton of big names out there. Aside from some kind of unexpected move to someone like Raúl Ibanez or Chase Utley, it doesn't feel like a change is imminent despite all of the postseason struggles the team has had of late.

Why he should go?

Thomson mismanaged the Phillies against the Mets. Whether or not him making the objective correct decisions would have led to a win in the NLDS against the Mets is an unanswerable question. But he did not put the team in its best position to win. Should he pay with his job for his postseason sins?

• He pulled the lever correctly on starting Cristopher Sánchez in Game 2 and Aaron Nola in Game 3, as each starter pitched relatively well in their only playoff appearances. But in Game 4 with the Phillies facing elimination and the bullpen ailing, he didn't call on Sánchez and instead let the bullpen blow the game. We'll get more into that in just a second.

• After he hit a two-run triple in Game 2 to save the Phillies season (at least to that point), Thomson sat Bryson Stott in Game 3 due to a lefty being on the mound. And then started him a day later in Game 4 against a lefty. Why? Why was Stott's momentum after the big hit not enough to get him in the lineup against a left-hander on one day, but the next Thomson just shrugged and went with his best lineup?

• Also, why did he start Weston Wilson in Game 4? Just for the sake of doing something different? Johan Rojas' defense would have been valuable in Citi Field with the Mets seeing the ball so well.

• Carlos Estévez was the big trade deadline acquisition for this team and he pitched well during the regular season. In the playoffs he didn't pitch in a Game 1 loss (when he should have), and then in Game 2 he was lifted after just throwing eight pitches. In Game 3 he was used, with the Phillies down 6-2, which was short-sighted as the team would likely need him rested in Game 4. And he surrendered the gut-punch grand slam to Francisco Lindor in his final appearance

• It is fully defensible that Thomson trusted Jeff Hoffman and Matt Strahm early in the postseason. But he kept trying to offer them redemption and it never came — and it cost the Phillies their season. Here's how the duo finished their seasons:

Hoffman

DateResult
Sept 284 runs allowed vs Nationals
Oct 53 runs allowed and no outs recorded vs Mets
Oct 63 pitches and one out recorded vs Mets 
Oct 9Loaded the bases to set up Mets grand slam 

Strahm

DateResult
Oct 52 runs allowed, one out recorded vs. Mets
Oct 62 runs allowed in blown save in 9th vs. Mets 
Oct 9Scoreless inning trailing by 3 vs Mets


Anyway, Sánchez was available. Zack Wheeler should have been available. Thomson seemed clueless managing the Phillies in the NLDS.

It seems likely he'll return for at least one more year and many would argue he's earned it. But something needs to change when October arrives or the same thing will happen next year too.

Naturally, the Phillies announced a contract extension for Thomson a few hours after this story was published...


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